Cagefighters point is that if someone is looking for a place to talk or learn more about TTATT, that eventhough so many have suffered, this JWN site is a good place to begin to heal.
rip van winkle
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This board is full of broken and hurt'n people
by Cagefighter inbut it also has some wonderful information about the org and getting help and moving on.
please don't let the nitwits or my arguments with them keep you from looking at a lot of good info on this site.. peace and farewell,.
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Relationship Issues: Boundaries, Freedom of Choice and Codependency
by 00DAD inrelationship issues: boundaries, freedom of choice and codependency .
i just read a very interesting thought in the book, "boundaries" by cloud & townsend.
the basic problem in human relationship is that of freedom.
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Sizemik- Thank you!
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2 Dubs at the Door
by Farkel intwo dubs are just leaving a door in field service after a householder throughly demolishes one of their doctrines.
one dub says to the other:.
"i hate it when they ask me questions i can't answer, when i've answered them so many times before.".
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I agree. What you all said is true, but, still........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Would I be in trouble?
by Pallbearer inwould i be in trouble?let's suppose that i had never stopped going to the meetings at the kingdom hall, and that i was still actively engaged in the field service.
if you were to be invited into my home you couldn't help but notice that the entire top (probably 6 foot across) of my entertainment center (a piece of furniture that holds the tv and that has glassed-in shelves on each side) is crowded with religious figurines, most of which came from the local catholic store.. .
next to that is the nativity scene that has several pieces: the wise men, the "star", the babe jesus, and joseph and mary etc.
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NoLaw- Do you know the date of the mag?
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Interesting discussion with some Witnesses at my door today
by jwfacts ini moved to a new home about 6 months ago, so am no longer on a do not call list, but have not been contacted by jw's yet.
i didn't even know which territory i am in.
i asked again what congregation and he told me.
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Ksol- Thanks for the ''spiral of silence" link. (At first I thought I was going to a "Get Smart" site and then I realized they had a cone and not a spiral!!! LOL
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Relationship Issues: Boundaries, Freedom of Choice and Codependency
by 00DAD inrelationship issues: boundaries, freedom of choice and codependency .
i just read a very interesting thought in the book, "boundaries" by cloud & townsend.
the basic problem in human relationship is that of freedom.
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TD- you can still love the person and not agree with the behaviour. And when I said-not being abused- from your scenario- is just that. The love is not conditional. We cannot change other people's behaviours, that's the acceptance part. Accepting doesn't mean that we condone it or agree with it. Still Thinking loved her alcholic partner, but that relationship was destroying her. A person who love's unconditionally has to include themself in the equation. They have to love themself enough to not allow another person's destructive actions to infect, control or destroy them.
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Interesting discussion with some Witnesses at my door today
by jwfacts ini moved to a new home about 6 months ago, so am no longer on a do not call list, but have not been contacted by jw's yet.
i didn't even know which territory i am in.
i asked again what congregation and he told me.
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rip van winkle
You showed them kindness and patience and they will remember you for that just as much as your thoughtful questions. And you never know, you may be a part of their awakening.
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Would I be in trouble?
by Pallbearer inwould i be in trouble?let's suppose that i had never stopped going to the meetings at the kingdom hall, and that i was still actively engaged in the field service.
if you were to be invited into my home you couldn't help but notice that the entire top (probably 6 foot across) of my entertainment center (a piece of furniture that holds the tv and that has glassed-in shelves on each side) is crowded with religious figurines, most of which came from the local catholic store.. .
next to that is the nativity scene that has several pieces: the wise men, the "star", the babe jesus, and joseph and mary etc.
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rip van winkle
It really depends on the individual elder. During my vetting with the baptismal questions, an elder asked me "Is it right or wrong for a Witness to have a painting of angels in their home? I was surprised that he said it would not be wrong. But, I can guarantee had he asked one of his fellow elders the same question, they would have the viewpoint that it would be wrong.
If there's a cross in the house-that would be a problem as that is an object used for worship. Do you worship your figurines? If you do, then it's idolatry. If you don't, then it's a collection of figurines. Some people collect LLadro, some collect Mickey Mouse, some collect stamps and coins, etc.. None of that is considered idolatry.
Just don't have any elders come to your house and keep enjoying your collection!!!
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Relationship Issues: Boundaries, Freedom of Choice and Codependency
by 00DAD inrelationship issues: boundaries, freedom of choice and codependency .
i just read a very interesting thought in the book, "boundaries" by cloud & townsend.
the basic problem in human relationship is that of freedom.
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Thanks Quendi- It was a long time ago. I'm not big on "What ifs" because it's futile. Can't change the past!!! Life's circumstances changed for me a great deal. I lost the good health that I had preWitness. ( I have been taking a language course for the last few weeks!!!)
00Dad - No one should make decisions for another person. That is a boundary violation. It's psychological and emotional trespassing. But the violation is worse when it comes from someone that allegedly is speaking for God, but in reality is a complete fraud and a sham. We can't go back and change the past. But we can learn from it. Certainly we all made some bad decisions based on trusting people that we now know were unworthy of our trust. Lesson learned
So, true, 00Dad! I definitely learned. In my world, before the WTS, I was not someone who deferred my own will. And years later,when there was interference in my life again from a particular elder, and JW "friends", I quickly put an end to it. Whatever my decisions in life-good or bad- I own them. I take that responsibility. I would never give my power away again.(I plan on doing the things that bring joy back into my life as when I was preWitness.)
TD- on my thread I asked: Unconditional love, how would you describe it?- To me it doesn;t mean to be a doormat. It doesn't mean being abused from an abuser. It doesn't mean to be enabler. It doesn't mean to be co-dependent. What I was saying is that I do believe it exists and that I have received it and I have also given it without expecting something in return. But, I will say, as I said on my post, that it's an ideal. It is hard to put into practice as we are imperfect, but there are principles that can be applied in one's life. And so back to 00Dad and his post- and having freedom to make one's own choices.
To Quote Khalil Gibran-Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens.
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2 Dubs at the Door
by Farkel intwo dubs are just leaving a door in field service after a householder throughly demolishes one of their doctrines.
one dub says to the other:.
"i hate it when they ask me questions i can't answer, when i've answered them so many times before.".
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I like your Farkisms!!!